mass exodus

topic posted Sat, July 29, 2006 - 4:32 PM by  spy
people are fleeing the bay area. it seems like portland is the next spot. anybody thinking of moving?
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  • Re: mass exodus

    Sat, July 29, 2006 - 9:56 PM
    Not for at least a few years...I have heard murmurs about moving but the folks I know who want to move want to go way out to the boonies, off the grid--not just go to another city.

    Portland is too cloudy/rainy for me...after the past rainy season we had I knew for sure I could never live somewhere where it rained/was overcast that often. But I did love Portland when I visited a few years ago.
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    Sun, July 30, 2006 - 7:14 AM
    i moved to palm springs1 year ago after 23 years in frisco. no more rain! there isn't much of an art scene in palm springs but the nearby hi-desert around joshua tree attracts art freaks. i just hope they didn't all get burned out in the recent fires.
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      Re: mass exodus

      Sun, July 30, 2006 - 10:04 AM
      I moved to LA after 10 years in SF, but know a LOT of people who are moving to Portland. It has a similar vibe, but much lower cost of living.
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        Sun, July 30, 2006 - 10:57 AM
        <<but much lower cost of living.>>

        Not for long.
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          Sun, July 30, 2006 - 11:22 AM
          San Francisco is the quintessential Boom/Bust City from the Gold Rush in the 1850's to the Earthquake devistation, from the late 1960's hippydom & dotcom bubbles (that burst). The ebb & flow of people seems natural here. Even though I can't afford to buy a house, I love the area & plan to stick around.


          Just for fun:
          (ReadyMade magazine just had a fun article featuring some "hot" cities: New Orleans, Oakland, Detroit, Providence, and Omaha. I always find those hot or not lists pretty interesting/entertaining: www.readymademag.com/currentissue.php)
          Money Magazine's "Best places to Live" list: money.cnn.com/magazines/m...bplive/2006/
          People are moving to the Cit-tay: money.cnn.com/2006/06/15/...es/index.htm
          Travel & Leisure's List: www.travelandleisure.com/world...ts.cfm
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            Sun, July 30, 2006 - 3:54 PM
            we (the fringe) are the culture buffer that scores oakland on that "hot (freekin) city list". it kills me (literally) to be displaced again by a city i helped to breathe life into. i moved to oakland from williamsburg (brooklyn) in 1995, now i'm looking for the next place to go. hopefully, in some city, we all can get together and buy a building instead of being forced out of a rental... again.
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              Sun, July 30, 2006 - 7:55 PM
              Well, all I can offer is that Portland is fabulous, with a viable alternative culture and great living conditions, I moved here from SeaTac and have just loved it.
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              Sun, July 30, 2006 - 8:26 PM
              I've been looking for soooo long to buy-in another building like the one I had in San Francisco. Now in LA, I'm seeing downtown finish it's last stages of being a McLoft neighborhood. My current warehouse is the most primitive space you could imagine. And, I'm surround by urban decay and construction. Although we've done lots of temporary spaces project like ambient music in the cold storage building across our alley during its construction, I'm becoming tired of quality building torn down and high-end lofts built before we even have an opportunity to bid on the building.

              For Portland, though, I'm not interested in moving. I was just there in late June for two weeks and found myself drawing too many comparisons to SF and LA. Maybe in a few more years I'll soften up to that city--people were constantly complaining about the gentrified Pearl district. Recently, a lot of my friends began talking about buying buildings in the area surrounding my neighborhood (below Little Tokyo in LA). The problem is that the market is so hot, people just want to get in at any costs. It feels like Oakland during that time, but people are fighting here, really fighting to stay in their spaces. I just might give LA a little more time, then.
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    Mon, July 31, 2006 - 8:11 AM
    SRL people are only thinking of san jose these days.
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      Mon, July 31, 2006 - 8:30 AM
      san jose is a great place to blow things up, but i wouldn't want to live there.
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        Mon, July 31, 2006 - 9:57 AM
        true, but this isn't the 'where should i live next' tribe
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          Mon, July 31, 2006 - 10:05 AM
          yikes, i will suppress any conversation that deviates from SRL, thanks for setting me straight.
          ps. it does look like this is the most action this tribe has seen for a while...
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            Mon, July 31, 2006 - 10:35 AM
            yeah i guess there's not much to say about it. its weird how people still join because its pretty obvious its not real active. i wonder if majority of people here think this tribe is for talking about surviving something...
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              Mon, July 31, 2006 - 11:10 AM
              Yeah, very interesting that location is the longest thread. I have done some public art in Seattle www.forteantimes.com/exclusi...th.shtml

              And have wanted to work with SRL for a while. . . But I am in Iraq. They have a lot of neat stuff here, though. . . I got to mess around with a UAV in Baghdad. And flying around on choppers is pretty fun. . .. but not much art to it all. Just death.

              Caleb "Shooter" Schaber
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              Mon, July 31, 2006 - 11:10 AM
              You mean...you guys weren't also part of those laboratory experiments a few years back, where they put us in isolation tanks for 6 weeks at a time, with only deer jerky, Starbursts and PBR for sustenance?

              hmm...maybe I am in the wrong tribe...
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                Mon, July 31, 2006 - 11:25 AM
                once we (meaning liisa pine and i forget who else was there) picked up a regular joe lawyer from another party, loaded him up in a car (some old beater cadillac with the tail pipe dragging on the ground so we were spewing sparks all over the place) that i can't remember why or how mark pauline ended up with, but he was driving, and took him to the shop. this guy is now stranded. i think we shot some guns for a bit then i went home and liisa probably tied him up and beat him up before letting him loose or something...
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    Mon, July 31, 2006 - 11:15 AM
    --FWIW Santa Rosa *rocks*! High schools still teach metalworking and auto shop: there's generations of tinkerers out here! Lotsa fun.
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      Mon, July 31, 2006 - 11:25 AM
      So when is the show in San Jose? dates?? I am looking forward to it!
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        Mon, July 31, 2006 - 11:51 AM
        I've seen 4 Apaches light up a an Afghan village for 45 minutes, a JDAM bunker buster dropped in front me, and had various tours of the UAVs and their feeds to TOCs. They have a lot of blown up tanks in Afghanistan and Iraq. . . so, the show here is for real. I was mortared 3 or 4 times this week and shot at. . . I'll enjoy the arts back in the states after another year here.
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          Mon, July 31, 2006 - 5:01 PM
          after *that* i think SRL show would be the last place i'd want to be...
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            Mon, July 31, 2006 - 9:54 PM
            It's not that bad here. They have cheese cake at the DEFAC and you can mail letters for free. . .
            • Re: mass exodus

              Wed, August 2, 2006 - 10:39 AM
              Well, anyone interested in checking out Portland, get in touch, I've got plenty of guest space and I'm sure we can find something to blow up or set on fire!
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                Thu, August 3, 2006 - 7:58 AM
                I actually was a part of some guerilla art in Kabul. We were teaching Afghan kids to be subversive and illustrated this by doing a Christo like project of wrapping a billboard in Green cloth.

                www.youtube.com/watch

                I plan on visiting the west coast this fall. Only ten more days in Iraq! I am in Iskandariyah, a crude oil plant turned into an Army Forward Operating Base on the Euphrates. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...304.gif

                Here is my Blackhawk ride over Baghdad. www.youtube.com/watch

                Well, art sucks here. It may have been cool 4,000 years ago--I was at Ur, and Ziggurat two weeks ago: nuvo.net/article.php

                But now, it's a lot of bombs. No one is too eager to do art, unless it is killing. . .

                I'll be passing through Portland sometime in September.
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                  Thu, August 3, 2006 - 6:11 PM
                  Um, I heard they are very self-important and exclusive in Portland.

                  Not that exclusive is bad or anything, I mean, hell, this tribe is super exclusive

                  I mean, you can't get in unless you're important right

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                    Re: mass exodus

                    Thu, August 3, 2006 - 6:23 PM
                    no, not exclusive. hell, we all got in didnt we? anyway i think i'll bag this topic
                    its hasnt much to do witih srl. now if someone wanted to host a SRL show up there that would be cool.
                    they do blow up nuclear power plants there. so thats a plus.
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                      Re: mass exodus

                      Thu, August 3, 2006 - 7:22 PM
                      << no, not exclusive. hell, we all got in didnt we? anyway i think i'll bag this topic >>

                      Right. I first read of SRL in like OMNI magazine. I thought, "how interesting"

                      Then I moved to the bay area and went to library school. Talked to a couple librarians about SRL. They're like "they're super exclusive, you can't just TALK to Mark Pauline, you have to be talented to shake his hand."

                      So I shook his hand. But still, I have to be vetted to come into this tribe and make comments? I would think you guys would want any random freak to come in and make remarks about innovations in explosives technology.

                      But don't mind me. I was unpopular in high school.
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                        Re: mass exodus

                        Thu, August 3, 2006 - 7:30 PM
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